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Hannah: Welcome to Happily Ever After the podcast where we talk about life's big stories from break-ups and breakdowns to icky secrets and happy endings. It's the stuff that makes us human. I'm your host, Hannah Harvey. I'm a writer and a parenting blogger at Mumsdays.com . That's M.U.M.S.D.A.Y.S dot com. I'd be really grateful if you could subscribe and leave a review because it basically means more people can find the podcast. And I also really love hearing from you, so please do contact me through Instagram @Mumsdays when any of your stories really and you know how you relate to the episode or even questions that you may want answering. You can find all the details from this episode in the show notes.
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Hannah: Hello and welcome to Happily Ever After with me, Hannah. Today I'm joined by my very good Yogi friend. We both did yoga teacher training together. Sean. Hi Sean.
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Sean: Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello.
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Hannah: Hi. Now, Sean is well. I mean, where do I even start? You've got very many, many, many talents. But yes, I do. One of them is a deep self confidence.
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Sean: The ability to shine.
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Hannah: You definitely do. But you're an incredible body worker. I remember the time you released the womb troll from my womb.
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Sean: Oh.
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Hannah: Do you remember that, you were working on my neck?
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Sean: Yeah. How did it get down there?
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Hannah: I don't know. Um, but yeah, so quickly, body work is well, How would you explain it, Sean?
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Sean: Oh. I've written a really, really good description about it once and did I?...
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Hannah: You're going to find it for me.
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Sean: What is bodywork? A delightful concoction of massage, meridians and pressure point work, intuitive healing infused with Reiki and energy work. Bodywork and assist with injuries, stiffness, physical rehabilitation, psychosomatic healing, stress release, to name a few. That isn't the full one.
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Hannah: That's good though. I mean, that gives you a feeling for it.
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Sean: That is a good one yeah.
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Hannah: So it's a bit like you're working with pressure points like you would with if you went for acupuncture, but just without needles.
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Sean: Yeah.
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Hannah: Isn't it? And it's very it's quite spiritual. So you're combining like these different points with healing work and Reiki. So that's what you were doing on me and you're excellent at that. But you also, um, we have light workers and you're what would be described as a shadow worker. Like a really happy one. Yeah.
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Sean: Yeah. I think it's like the sarcastic laughing. Ha ha ha.
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Hannah: But do you know what? You have such a calming energy that if you were going to go to a dark place with anybody, I'd want to be doing it with you. Yeah. So that's probably.
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Sean: Oh thank you
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Hannah: You're welcome. Please come and do some bodywork on me.
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Sean: Please come
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Hannah: Come now. So I guess I ended up getting into all this kind of stuff because I was going through divorce and already in a bit of a shit place. And I guess you naturally start being like, How have I ended up here? Why is this happening? Um, but yeah, some people might be like, What the hell is shadow work? Like, what does that even mean?
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Sean: Right.
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Hannah: And you. So if you were going to do a workshop with you. Yeah. For the first time, what can people expect?
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Sean: What can. Oh, God. It's totally unique to the experience. But so shadow work comes from Carl Jung's psychology, like, So you've got Freud and Jung,
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Hannah: Okay.
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Sean: Two like big headlines at the time, and Jung was all about the kind of shadow aspects of things, and it's almost the qualities of people that are suppressed so much and then layers upon layers upon layers. Then it's all pushed down and then eventually it just kind of like has to come out because it's like. So one example that I remember is say a young lad, say 5 or 6 year old and like a very 1970s Northeast family.
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Hannah: Is it you sean?
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Sean: Your dad's a miner, Mum's a stay at home mum type of thing. Okay, so you've got this young lad kind of like the Billy Elliot thing, you know, like, so he's like, Oh, I'm a dancer. And his dad's like, Well, I'm a miner. So like, don't do that thing in front of me. But imagine that Billy Elliot's dance was suppressed. So it's like, I don't want you to be like a puff or, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I don't want the neighbours talking. You're not dancing in the street. Suppress that. You're going to be a miner like me. Because my dad was a miner. My granddad was a miner, we're miners, grrr pub.
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Hannah: Yeah
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Sean: Like, you know, that kind of thing. Now imagine like you got to 14, that dancer who then became like a world famous dancer. Imagine that was just that suppressed what that would do to you.
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Hannah: So they had gone on to become the miner and go to the pub and they had never done.
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Sean: Gone to the pub and did that. Imagine that level of availability of energy that was just suppressed. And then something happens and then you just have this massive breakdown and then the dancer part comes up as well. So that's like dealing with shadow work is kind of going down to kind of reintroduce yourself to the dancer. But the dancer's not like going to come straight out there. Like, no, no, no, because you put like a hundred walls in the way. So you're going to have to rebuild your relationship with me before I come back out because it's like the inner child stuff.
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Hannah: Yeah.
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Sean: And you can't convince a child to do anything that they don't really want to do, especially if you do nothing but suppress them.
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Hannah: Yeah.
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Sean: So that's kind of what shadow work is. But on a workshop. Like one exercise I found really helpful. It was like listing all the major. Archetypes? Well, no. The major characters in your life growing up. So you'd have like your mum, your dad or your aunt and uncle or foster parents or guardians or whatever. So you start with that kind of list and then you go down maybe like grandparents or neighbours that looked after you and all of these people. Then you'd pick a few that you want to work with that day. Like, you know, I like asking, have you got mum or dad issues? That's one of my questions. Whenever I'm dealing with someone. They're like ah! it's too big of a question. I'm like, okay, so what I'd say is like, what level do you want to work with today? So might just be the neighbour that you. That was kind of nice, but. Did this thing that really annoyed you. So you can just work on that level and then you list all of the good qualities and all of the bad qualities, and then what you have to change around that person that you had to suppress. So around the dad, you wouldn't have done the dancing where around your mum they quite like creativity so the artistic stuff could come out. Does that make sense?
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Hannah: Yeah.
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Sean: So then it's kind of like revisiting that situation and then going, was that. Something that they didn't want to happen to me. Like the Northern dad didn't want me to be a dancer because of their idea of what's going to happen in the public or in the public eye. And they didn't want me to get bullied and they didn't want someone talking about them in the pub. And so visiting all of these. Things.
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Hannah: And I guess looking at it with fresh grown up eyes.
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Sean: Because yeah, as a kid, when you're told don't go near the fire, you haven't got the experience to know why you're not allowed to play near the fireplace at three. Where when you're like a 28 year old adult? You probably burnt yourself a million times, so you kind of go, Don't do it.
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Hannah: Don't touch the ball of fire.
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Sean: When you tell the 18 year old, don't go out with that lad. Why? Because he's just not the one.
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Hannah: He's the ball of fire. I'm still working through that.
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Sean: You're like, don't, please don't have him as a boyfriend. Why? Oh, you'll find out. Yeah.
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Hannah: Yeah. It's funny. I sent somebody a gif of. There's like, a dog sitting in a room of fire, and I'm like, Yeah, I'm the dog and you're the fire, and I'm still in it. Because you're like, It's still quite fun.
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Sean: Yeah.
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Hannah: Why? So I guess it's that. That's the stuff you need. You're looking at when you're doing your shadow work.
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Sean: Yeah. And it's having, it's having those, like, intelligent eyes to then look at the situation and kind of go, Oh, maybe that was for my greater good. Or maybe they were doing the best that they could at the time or what they had available. And then they get to a point when you kind of go, Oh, is that because of their parents thing? So like it gets to a point where it is the mother dad or that that that archetype because you said about the maiden. So you get the mother or the father and then you get to the point where you're like, were they doing the best that they could with what they had available to them? And with the lessons that they had available. Or are they just psychopaths? And then but even with that information, you can kind of go, oh, I can just let that go and you can stop feeding into an energy there that isn't necessary, like going over a situation in your head continually. For years and years and years. Isn't. Beneficial to you? Really? Like.
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Hannah: Yeah. At what point can you go? I processed that. Now I'm done.
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Sean: Yeah. Yeah. Takes a while. It's not easy, but the worst thing to do is cover it in love and light all the time.
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Hannah: Yeah.
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Sean: All. Bits of it is fine.
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Hannah: It is scary.
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Sean: You can't just go I wholeheartedly forgive all people on all levels, all the time. You're like.
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Hannah: Yeah, like you need to do it all the time. You need to constantly be like, All right, I forgive you for that, even though it's still pissing me off. Like, can you? Yeah, I remember when I first started doing therapy, I was like, Oh, God, I really don't want to do this. Like it just feels. Like you don't know what you're going to find and if it's going to be. Too much that you can't get back out.
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Sean: That's. That's the scary bit. Yeah. Like, if I. If I go down the rabbit hole, it's a. Can I reintegrate into real life?
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Hannah: And then the other.
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Sean: Did you find any bits that were.
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Hannah: Yes, so much. But I was going to say the. Sorry. The what? Go. No, go. As I say, the other side of it is. You think I don't even have any problems? Why am I doing this? Like, compared to other people?
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Sean: Oh, grand scheme of things. Yeah. Yeah.
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Hannah: Like, I had a conversation with somebody recently who was like. Um. One of the stories that I like a strong memory of mine is when a woman refused to give me a hot dog. And it stayed with me for a long time. I was like, nobody stood up for me. I didn't stand up for myself and I got told off. So I have this little thing around like, um, I'm not I'm never going to stand up for myself. And I'll get I feel it this like, I can feel it in my body even now talking about it. And it's like it was just a hot dog, like somewhere around my hips and womb.
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Sean: Right.
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Hannah: And it's like and really, the woman was just a bit of a bitch. Like I was a three year old girl asking for a hot dog, which didn't have sauce on. But I was talking to a friend about it and she's like. Are, you know, that could be like, that's not really a bad memory. Like, there could be many like, you definitely grew up with many worse memories than that. And yet for me, like, yeah, like, yeah.
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Sean: But it's, it's, it's also like it doesn't matter what it is because I've met and worked with people who have got. Things that have happened to them, which is. Much worse. It's almost like film quality versions.
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Hannah: Horrific, right?
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Sean: Horrific. And they're there and they're quite functioning. I'm like, Right, okay. So, like, how how are you still able to be happy in the world?
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Hannah: Yeah.
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Sean: But it's yeah. So the hot dog story, don't add don't discredit it just because you are now old enough to kind of reflect back on it and you're like, Well, it was only a hot dog because that adds to like. A layer of shadow work because you're kind of going, Oh, it was kind of a bit pathetic that I'm thinking that, that I'm still that I'm still bothered about the hotdog. But it's like what was happening around that And was it you weren't being heard, Was it that no one was standing up for you? Was it So it's almost the things that surround it. That are important. Not so much the story.
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Hannah: Yeah. Like there's always
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Sean: You don't want to kind of go like, Oh, why, why, why am I still thinking about that? It's like pathetic. And then you kind of go and is not being heard. Pathetic. No.
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Hannah: Yeah.
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Sean: And no one's standing up for you. Like if there's mis.. Well, it's not really Misjustice or anything, is it? Because it is a hot dog.
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Hannah: At the end of the day, I was a little bit hungry.
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Sean: Not like you were like malnourished, Like, I'm not like. It's not like, Oh, please, I just want some food or anything. It was yeah, but still, there's, there's bits of it that probably need revisiting and around the hips and things. It's quite often pre-verbal. But I mean at three.
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Hannah: I was probably two actually. But yeah, it would have been around verbal time.
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Sean: Verbal time.
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Hannah: But maybe not verbal enough.
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Sean: It could still mean you wouldn't be able to articulate things fluently around two and. If you're around a lot of adults, you kind of like if you're the child, you kind of just put to the side for a bit. It's not like integrated in conversation, so they're probably just like, Oh, she just wants a hot dog.
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Hannah: That greedy little girl.
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Sean: Who were you with at the time?
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Hannah: I remember my dad eating the hot dog I was getting given with ketchup on and I didn't like ketchup, so he took it. And then I went back to get another one.
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Sean: Did you get the other one?
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Hannah: No, she wouldn't fucking give me one.
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Hannah: Oh.
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Hannah: She pointed at me and said, you've already had one. Oh, but I mean, it's like, obviously pathetic. I get it. But it's just interesting to me that you will go into your therapeutic process being like, I've only got a bunch of pathetic stories going on. There's nothing to look into, but
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Sean: But don't call your traumas pathetic because, like, it just doesn't it doesn't help. It doesn't help. It doesn't help them because imagine that. That's like imagine the trauma is like a child in a room. But like with the it's almost got the intelligence of your age now. So you've got this, like, dualistic person in the room and you go, Oh, I'm just going to go deal with this pathetic situation. And then they're like, No, come back in six months time when you've and you're like, Oh, okay, will you.
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Hannah: When you stop calling me pathetic. And you would like, acknowledge me.
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Sean: I'm not coming out of this room to deal with you until you stop calling me pathetic because it's not helpful. And you're like, Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah.
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Hannah: Oh I'm sorry. Trauma.
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Sean: Yeah,
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Hannah: But that is what you go into these processes thinking like my problems aren't the same as other peoples when actually we need to acknowledge that they're still mine and I'm not going to be able to progress the way I want until I deal with them.
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Sean: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was in the car yesterday with Jambo, and we were chatting. Our teacher. Um, when we were chatting about, like. The way we like, first world problems, because he's just been over in Indonesia versus third world problems and he's just like. Sometimes I think some of the people. Could really do with that going into the third world for a bit. And then it would almost give us a different perspective of how to deal with our problems. Because you're looking around and these people are just like. Diving through piles of rubbish and they're still quite happy. I mean, like, Oh, yeah, God, like my problems. Like I'm holding on to some of these problems and deal with them, dragging them out for all they're worth. And really, there's like much worse situations in the world. Like, we can afford therapy.
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Hannah: Yeah.
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Sean: And it's, it's not like it's not like cheap but say I don't know my therapist is think £50 for an hour and £50 to someone that's in Indonesia on the street were probably like. Paid a month rent for a month?
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Hannah: Yeah.
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Sean: And it's like, Oh, okay, I should just deal with my problems because there's people out there that literally can't.
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Hannah: Yeah, let's stop dragging it out. We're not going to call it pathetic, but we're also not going to drag it out as long as it needs to be. Yeah.
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Sean: Yeah. And you have to like, I've got to a point, you know, like I've dislocated both of my shoulders. And then I used to use this as an excuse so much when doing yoga and I'm like, I can do a fucking handstand.
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Hannah: Yeah.
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Sean: Stop dragging out these injuries. Now, if you can do a handstand, there is nothing wrong with your shoulders and had to kind of go drop the story like, yeah, they've dislocated. That was a long time ago. If you can do a handstand, shut up.
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Sean: Nice.
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Sean: And like had to get to that point where myself as well with dealing with my own trauma because it's like, well I've sat and dealt with it. I've rehabbed my shoulders. They're fine. The fine now, Like, what else do you want to be able to do with them? It's like.
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Hannah: Are you like - I better not twist just in case it pops out.
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Sean: Yeah. What a drama. What a drama queen.
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Hannah: Drama. Drama. So you mentioned there The Maiden. So in last week's podcast, I was talking to Katie about my epiphany after getting in the water for 21 days.
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Sean: Yes.
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Hannah: I spoke to Jambo as well. He was on one of the episodes, which we'll link to.
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Sean: Yeah.
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Hannah: And I spoke to him about it, about the significance of 21. And he was saying, Oh, maybe it's a special number specifically for me, so I should try. Doing things daily for 21 days and see if anything else pops up. But that's by the by. The thing that came up that day was all around the maiden archetype. And and when I spoke to you about it, you said, oh, that would happen. You would have a big processing day because you're really watery.
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Sean: You are.
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Hannah: So I thought we could talk about elemental theory, because when I thought about getting you on, I was sweeping my backyard and you came to mind. Earthy.
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Sean: Well, while shifting dirt around the floor, Sean came to my mind.
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Hannah: Genuinely did. Because to me, what earthy means. Is being homey and like, I'd never swept that yard once, and I've been there for like nearly two years. And it was like, Oh, this feels really nice to, like, take care of my space. Um. And I just thought we could firstly talk about the different elements and what they mean to each of us, but then also maybe look at it from the point of view of if you are coming out of like something traumatic, like a relationship or something. What you can kind of.
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Sean: What like how to nurture your element?
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Hannah: Yeah. Or nurture what's what's going to help you get through I guess.
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Sean: Yeah. Well it's.
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Hannah: So we start with like the elements anyway. So there's like wood is like taking action, isn't it? And being maybe a little bit stubborn.
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Sean: Wood people are constantly in growth. So it's like a tree, but it's also, you know, that. Have you seen that picture, the tree in like in. It's almost like a cave, but it's like the Nevada desert. And it's like there is one thin beam of light coming in and the tree is like, I will find my way to that one beam of light. So they have this like, need to grow, but they're strong. Variably flexible. Like they're.
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Hannah: They're flexible? Because...
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Sean: Well.
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Hannah: When you're overly woody, you can be quite stubborn and stuck in your ways. I think
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Sean: They they they need. Yeah. The they're flexible enough to know where to grow but.
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Hannah: Not necessarily if your way ways different to that way.
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Sean: No no. Because they're like that's where the light is. I'm going that way. Yeah.
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Hannah: You can come with or you can fuck off.
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Sean: Yes. So like wood, woody people and it's almost like in their body type as well. Yeah. So I'm like earthy. I'm like chunky. It's like wide. It's like all, all earthy where those that have got, like, you know, these like, thinner arms, you can see all the veins and the muscles and everything. Like they almost look like branches of a tree.
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Hannah: Yeah. Strong.
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Sean: That's kind of like earthy.
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Hannah: Yeah, isn't it? Strong eyebrows.
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Sean: Well, eyebrows are like liver energy, but yes, it could be. I'm not entirely sure on that. But like, if your eyebrows are gone really sparse, you've depleted liver energy.
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Hannah: Okay. Um, I've got really sparse -
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Sean: Yeah. Around the eyes. So if you've got really sharp, pointy eyes, that's fire. Yeah. I think eyebrows would probably be wood then.
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Hannah: Yeah, I think it's if you've got quite pronounced strong eyebrows. But anyway, so we've got wood. The next is fire which I am a bit fiery as well as watery.
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Sean: You are fiery because you're very productive and.
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Hannah: It's that sort of creative fun energy, isn't it? And yeah, um.
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Sean: Yeah.
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Hannah: Running around like we were saying. Jambos fiery. So for him.
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Sean: Jambos. Yeah, he's just. Yeah, he's fire.
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Hannah: He would
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Sean: Like he's really good when he's in active, creative fun. Big shiny energy. Like it's like it's ways where he's at his best. Is that like. The fire pit and then people surrounding and it's just going, it's like that's.
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Hannah: Yeah, like it's in flow. You don't necessarily need to overprepare.
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Sean: No. Like Josie is quite fiery as well.
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Hannah: Oh, 100%.
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Sean: Yeah. And Natalie's like Woody and fiery and a bit metallic. Actually, yeah. So, like, everyone's a combination of them all. Yeah.
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Hannah: So the next, just to give the full picture, then you've got Earth, which you are. And I feel like I'm people bring Earth out in me. So if I'm with people, it makes me earthy because I'm like, how can I nurture and look after you and like, what can I do to make you feel good? So people I think when I step into yoga, Hannah, I get really earthy and people are like, Oh, your voice is really soothing. And I'm like, Come on in, come in. I want to, like, wrap you up in blankets, that kind of thing. And then we've got metal, which is the they're part of you. That's. Always trying to improve. Isn't it? It's like you can critique.
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Sean: Yeah.
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Hannah: And go round and round and round.
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Sean: Critical, critical thinking. And it's very like black or white. You see, like all the lines around here in my house, like, my house is white and grey, and it's all like, straight lines. My house is quite metallic. And it's in Greys and whites and blacks. Yeah.
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Hannah: Where are your earthy features?
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Sean: Don't need it because I am Earth.
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Hannah: You are a personification?
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Sean: My house. I have no order in my like if I didn't have a metal house, there'd be no order. Right? I need somewhere to go to like do my accounts. Otherwise they would never get done. So I need, like, I need metal space.
00:26:34 - 00:26:35
Hannah: Interesting.
00:26:35 - 00:26:42
Sean: Otherwise if I ended up living in, like, an earthy house, it would be, you know, those, like, gypsy shacks.
00:26:42 - 00:26:43
Hannah: You'd be in the woods of.
00:26:43 - 00:26:45
Sean: In the middle of the woods. In the woods.
00:26:45 - 00:26:46
Hannah: And, like, in a tree root.
00:26:46 - 00:27:04
Sean: You would never see me again. No. You'd like. Like I'd be so super Earth would be the off grid log cabin living. And if I had that, you'd never see me because I'm already too heavy. Just you'd have to come and visit me in the woods, and then we.
00:27:04 - 00:27:05
Hannah: Wouldn't be able to find it anyway.
00:27:06 - 00:27:17
Sean: I'd be in a box a million miles away from where I am, and then just send, like, a carrier pigeon or something. So no I need. I need. I need metal to bring some order to my life.
00:27:17 - 00:27:17
Hannah: Interesting
00:27:17 - 00:27:23
Sean: And then I need to do fiery things like I need to go to a forest yoga class.
00:27:23 - 00:27:23
Hannah: Yes.
00:27:24 - 00:27:30
Sean: And I'll kick off and complain about it throughout the whole class, but I know I need it.
00:27:30 - 00:27:40
Hannah: Yeah. Oh, that's really cool. And then the other one is water. So that's to do with being in flow and being at one with yourself.
00:27:40 - 00:28:03
Sean: It's emotion. It's. Yeah. So like in tarot it would be the cups. So it's all about like the emotional state of being and being in flow and being adaptable. Um, but like presently adaptable. So you can kind of like resettle things like water always finds its way.
00:28:03 - 00:28:10
Hannah: Yeah. And if you have too much water, you become arrogant. I seem to recall.
00:28:12 - 00:28:12
Sean: Yeah.
00:28:13 - 00:28:32
Hannah: I've got it all written down in a book somewhere, but, um. Okay, so those are all the different bits. And I. I just find it really interesting in general. But I guess like it's hard to necessarily know which one you are more of. Yeah.
00:28:34 - 00:29:01
Sean: So finding like a practitioner would be good, but you can also like there's visual things and then there's like personality traits. So somebody that's really emotional that. When something like sad happens, they just go and they cry it out and then they kind of then they're in their factory reset. That's like a good watery person. That's how they process.
00:29:01 - 00:29:04
Hannah: It's 100% what I did last week.
00:29:04 - 00:29:31
Sean: Yeah. And then somebody that's like predominantly fiery would probably need to go to the gym and like, burn off this. And that's how they would process like. Over stimulation or over things. They just need to go and burn something off or even like physically around fire or be, um, just do something really sweaty and things like that.
00:29:33 - 00:29:46
Hannah: Because if you get to fiery, though you go a bit manic. So if you're in that phase of feeling like, Fuck, I don't even know where I'm going or what I'm doing, I'm just so manic and running around. That's when you need to
00:29:46 - 00:29:47
Sean: Burn out.
00:29:47 - 00:29:50
Hannah: Well, burn out, but then I would say also do some earthy things.
00:29:50 - 00:29:52
Sean: Yeah. So you need to find.
00:29:52 - 00:30:04
Hannah: So meet some friends or like, you know, go and eat with people and be with people and wrap yourself in like, blankets and just try and. Like down regulate a little bit as well.
00:30:04 - 00:30:20
Sean: Yeah. So there's like the way the star of the Elemental stuff works. So like a fire. If a fire is burning, you don't want to chuck water on it. Because you put the fire out.
00:30:20 - 00:30:21
Hannah: Yeah.
00:30:21 - 00:30:24
Sean: If you put metal near the fire, it's going to bend.
00:30:26 - 00:30:26
Hannah: Yeah.
00:30:26 - 00:30:42
Sean: Put wood near fire. It's just going to add to the fire. But if you put fire on Earth, it's going to sit there and you've got a bonfire. So, like, me and Jambo work together quite well because he's like fire and I'm Earth and I'm like, cool, we'll just bonfire,
00:30:42 - 00:30:43
Hannah: Just hang out together.
00:30:43 - 00:31:15
Sean: We'll work together really well. If you have like, fire and water, the water person has to then change. You'll either evaporate or they'll douse the fire. Sometimes that can be like if they're both in their in their place. It's so there's the complementary way that it works, like water metal work together quite well. Because if water evaporated, it sits on metal and then kind of returns into droplets.
00:31:15 - 00:31:15
Hannah: Yeah.
00:31:16 - 00:31:32
Sean: Or it can be in a container. And then water works well with wood because it feeds the trees, water feeds the trees. Um, wood and earth work together quite well. Yeah, there's complimentary.
00:31:32 - 00:31:33
Hannah: Yeah.
00:31:33 - 00:31:34
Sean: Circles of things.
00:31:34 - 00:31:41
Hannah: I've got an image for that so I can share it in the show notes so people can be like, What the hell are they talking about?
00:31:42 - 00:31:43
Sean: Yeah.
00:31:44 - 00:31:58
Hannah: Oh, I just. I love it all. I find it. I guess it's similar to, like, when you do a personality test and you're like, Oh my God, that completely explains who I am and why I do things. I love it when you feel a little bit understood.
00:31:59 - 00:32:02
Sean: Well, I did one the other day with Beck. Is that the Myers? Myers.
00:32:02 - 00:32:03
Hannah: Briggs.
00:32:03 - 00:32:09
Sean: Myers. Briggs. And I'm. I forgot what I am.
00:32:09 - 00:32:13
Hannah: I know I can never remember what I am, but I know I'm an extrovert, that's for sure.
00:32:13 - 00:32:22
Sean: I remember reading. I was like, Oh, that is me. Me and Vic are the same. Are you really? We're like, really good assistance in things.
00:32:23 - 00:32:26
Hannah: Earthly. She's metally as well, though. Yeah.
00:32:27 - 00:32:35
Sean: Yeah, but we're the same Myers-Briggs thing. So it's like, Yeah, so we're good at, like, looking after things.
00:32:36 - 00:32:40
Hannah: I bet I'm not that. So are you an introvert or extrovert?
00:32:42 - 00:32:43
Sean: Well
00:32:43 - 00:32:44
Hannah: That's literally the first letter.
00:32:44 - 00:32:59
Sean: Like, yeah, I'm a bit. I'm like an extrovert introvert, Like, really like. And I need some, like, alone time. But then if you put me in a room and I need to just, like, be the centre of attention for a bit, that's fine.
00:33:00 - 00:33:02
Hannah: Oh, that's. You can still be introverted and do that.
00:33:02 - 00:33:05
Sean: Yeah, I think I'm like, it's the.
00:33:05 - 00:33:13
Hannah: It's the requirement for alone time that counts. Like if I sit on my own in a room after about an hour, I'm like, Right, I'm going out. I can't do this anymore.
00:33:14 - 00:33:44
Sean: Oh, no, I can do like, four days. I need one day a fortnight. I've figured out where I'm literally get a bodywork mattress on the floor and I lay there for like four hours. I'm like those Hoovers that need to just find home to recharge, you know, just like, scoot back in. I'm like, Goodbye world and then just like, leave me alone to recharge. So yeah, I'm pretty introvert then. That is hilarious.
00:33:45 - 00:33:53
Hannah: There'll be mums listening to this going. I remember a time when I used to be able to lie in a corner. Bless.
00:33:54 - 00:33:56
Sean: How do introverts have kids?
00:33:56 - 00:33:58
Hannah: I don't know.
00:33:58 - 00:34:10
Sean: Because you have to go to the school in the morning or twice a day or have a. Yeah, like you have to. Like, I'm sure someone speaks to you in the playground. They do. Can you drop your kids off with sunglasses and headphones on?
00:34:11 - 00:34:12
Hannah: I mean, you can.
00:34:12 - 00:34:13
Sean: Yeah, that would be me then.
00:34:13 - 00:34:17
Hannah: You'd have to really, like, not mind what other people thought of you.
00:34:18 - 00:34:30
Sean: I don't. I'd go in, like, full fancy dress every morning. Headphones, sunglasses. I'd even have the kid with sunglasses, headphones and just, like, let's go.
00:34:31 - 00:34:43
Hannah: But yeah, I think it's really important, especially then if you're a mum to make sure that you're creating that space. To be on your own if you're an introvert. Otherwise, you're just going to go crazy.
00:34:44 - 00:35:12
Sean: Well, it's not feeding your element like it's going back to like the way elements work. It's just like if you're not doing that thing, like the sacrifice that you'd need to make, that's yeah, I mean, the elemental stuff and then becoming a parent must be really tricky because like, say you are really earthy. That's like parties, feeding the community and you just want everyone around a table and everyone happy. I love feeding people. I'm a really good cook.
00:35:12 - 00:35:13
Hannah: Yeah, you are.
00:35:13 - 00:35:31
Sean: And I'm almost like in my happy place when I'm doing that. And if things are in the way and I can't even if I go to an Airbnb and there isn't a good knife. There's part of me that like has a breakdown. I'm like, can't cut onions. Well, this food isn't going to go okay.
00:35:31 - 00:35:38
Hannah: But I've seen how you travel and you basically take your kitchen with you. So you've, you've overridden that, that situation.
00:35:38 - 00:35:44
Sean: I have now. But then when I go abroad, I'm like, okay, where's.. Can I have a knife?
00:35:44 - 00:35:46
Hannah: Like, I can't cut with this.
00:35:46 - 00:35:53
Sean: I can't take, uh, yeah. Sabatier knives through hand luggage at the airport because
00:35:53 - 00:35:54
Hannah: They don't like it.
00:35:54 - 00:35:57
Sean: It's a ten inch blade and I'll get done for terrorism.
00:35:57 - 00:35:58
Hannah: They don't like it.
00:35:59 - 00:35:59
Sean: No.
00:36:00 - 00:36:05
Hannah: I'm surprised you get through hand luggage with some of the stuff you do take. So. Yeah.
00:36:06 - 00:36:15
Sean: My, um. My stones. The amount of times I get stopped with the shamanic stones, they're like, What are these? I'm like, Don't touch them.
00:36:16 - 00:36:17
Hannah: I really wouldn't recommend you touch that.
00:36:18 - 00:36:25
Sean: You can swipe, you can swab them. There's nothing on there. Don't touch them. Okay? You just get through with it. Oh.
00:36:27 - 00:36:37
Hannah: So tell me what you're up to over the summer. How can people work with you and see you and do stuff.
00:36:37 - 00:36:44
Sean: Uh, festivals. And I'm starting the Reiki training tour.
00:36:44 - 00:36:45
Hannah: Ooo
00:36:45 - 00:36:50
Sean: So working with the medicine Buddha. So it's going to be traditional Reiki.
00:36:51 - 00:36:52
Hannah: I'm wearing blue.
00:36:52 - 00:36:54
Sean: Wearing blue, lapis blue.
00:36:54 - 00:36:55
Hannah: For Medicine medicine Buddha.
00:36:57 - 00:37:25
Sean: Um, this is going to be medicine Buddha based Reiki, so you don't need to be Buddhist because medicine Buddha doesn't require empowerments, but it's, yeah, Reiki with a cool flavour. So I'm going to be doing that in different places and like Swansea, definitely going to do something. Because I'm up in the Northeast in July, so I might put something on at Natalie's. I will put something on at Natalie's.
00:37:25 - 00:37:25
Hannah: Good.
00:37:25 - 00:37:26
Sean: Do something there.
00:37:26 - 00:37:28
Hannah: Up in Corbridge.
00:37:28 - 00:37:32
Sean: Up in Corbridge. And then see where else comes up.
00:37:32 - 00:37:33
Hannah: Nice.
00:37:33 - 00:37:37
Sean: Yeah, it's lots of lots of festivals and doing stuff at the moment.
00:37:38 - 00:37:40
Hannah: And you do one to ones as well, don't you?
00:37:41 - 00:37:41
Sean: Yeah.
00:37:41 - 00:37:45
Hannah: So what can people do with you? 1 to 1 wise.
00:37:46 - 00:37:54
Sean: Um, psychomagic readings. So tarot with triggering prescriptions.
00:37:54 - 00:37:55
Hannah: Excellent. Who doesn't love that.
00:37:56 - 00:37:56
Sean: Deliberately triggering.
00:37:57 - 00:38:02
Hannah: Um, do you remember when I first met you? I was like, Oh, will you do me? And you were like, Absolutely not.
00:38:02 - 00:38:15
Sean: No. Not where you're at at the moment. So it's like, you've got enough going on. Yeah. You were in the in the high point of your divorcing, I think.
00:38:15 - 00:38:16
Hannah: Yeah.
00:38:16 - 00:38:37
Sean: And just starting yoga teacher training. So you already had enough. Triggering stuff going on. I was like, Don't think I need to add to that fire. Like, you got enough, you'll be okay. And then imagine like the last day of teacher training and you had to then go and smash a pumpkin on someone's grave like.
00:38:37 - 00:38:39
Hannah: That would have been a lot.
00:38:39 - 00:38:41
Sean: It would have been too much.
00:38:41 - 00:38:42
Hannah: Too much, darling.
00:38:42 - 00:38:43
Sean: Exactly.
00:38:43 - 00:38:44
Hannah: I mean, we were doing.
00:38:45 - 00:38:57
Sean: Yeah, you don't need that all the time, but it's almost like when you're kind of at the point when you're like, Oh, keep on visiting this. Trauma or the situation and need to get over it. Yeah.
00:38:57 - 00:38:59
Hannah: And you help people with that, don't you?
00:38:59 - 00:39:10
Sean: Then that's when it's like, okay, it's time. So for you, I'd say buy the hot dog fancy dress outfit.
00:39:10 - 00:39:11
Hannah: Yeah.
00:39:11 - 00:39:18
Sean: And then go to like, where was it? Was this in Whitley Bay or where were you?
00:39:18 - 00:39:27
Hannah: No I was living in Scunthorpe or something like that at the time. I was like really very young. Oh, I know. This is my roots.
00:39:27 - 00:39:42
Sean: Dress up as a hot dog and give out hot dog without sauces to like 21 people, like 21 is your magic number.
00:39:42 - 00:39:44
Hannah: Who would like to see me do this?
00:39:45 - 00:39:58
Sean: Yeah. And then think by that point you'd be like, ah. And you just. You're just get over it because you're replacing the traumatic one with something that's like newly traumatic but fun.
00:40:00 - 00:40:04
Hannah: So you're traumatising yourself in a new way and then I'll be over it.
00:40:04 - 00:40:13
Sean: But with like adult perspective. You're like, Well, I mean, did anyone die because I was in fancy dress and giving out hot dogs? No. So
00:40:13 - 00:40:17
Hannah: Wise words. Sean is available for hire.
00:40:17 - 00:40:23
Sean: Sean is available for hire. Yeah. So, psychomagic things. Um, Tarot.
00:40:24 - 00:40:42
Sean: Um. What else do I do. Reiki but one to ones but I live in Somerset? So if you're near me, then yes, or if I'm on the road. Bodywork. So if I'm travelling around places, if you see that I'm in your area, then I always do one to ones for bodywork.
00:40:42 - 00:41:02
Hannah: You need to do me a little PDF of where you're going to be, you know, like a touring comedian, one of those, and then I can attach it to the show notes so people know where you're going to be. And then if they want to hire you to come and release their womb trolls, um, you can do that or get them to dress up as a hot dog.
00:41:05 - 00:41:05
Sean: Uh.
00:41:05 - 00:41:13
Hannah: In all honesty, I would like Sean is an absolute magician, so if he's near you, I would get him to come and put his hands on you.
00:41:13 - 00:41:14
Sean: Yes.
00:41:15 - 00:41:19
Hannah: Yeah. Oh, well, thank you. That's. I'm not sure what we talked about, but it was bloody fascinating.
00:41:19 - 00:41:21
Sean: It was good fun. Yeah.
00:41:22 - 00:41:23
Hannah: I really appreciate it. Thanks, Sean.
00:41:24 - 00:41:26
Sean: Thank you. Thanks for having me.
00:41:26 - 00:41:27
Hannah: You're welcome.
00:41:27 - 00:42:07
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